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PostSubject: Custom OC clans?   Sun 30 Jun - 7:05

Custom clans. would there be any way to work this into the system?

I've got an OC I've been developing for a long time now. But his aesthetic persona and motivations are rather dependent on the clan he's from. Which is a custom one.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Sun 30 Jun - 9:16

Without asking Admin, the head honcho, I can say you are free to develop jutsu during your char's life that can be the basis of a new clan, if you want to create one at start for your char that's something you'll have to discuss with admin since he is far better at balancing stuff. what did you have in mind? Perhaps the idea has already come across some custom chars/clans we made in the past
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Sun 30 Jun - 19:32

The concept of the clan is based off of my technical observations of Orochimaru's powers.
A VERY brief summery of the clan would be:

The Nagara where a ninja clan that lived in or near the land of Rice fields at the time Orochimaru began to take it over. They where fiercely dedicated to the pursuit of personal perfection, and used an Ouroboros as their clan symbol.
Orochimaru used a large number of the clan as test subjects for developing his own snake manipulated body, Many Nagara died of gruesome disfigurations, but a large number survived with slightly lesser versions of Orochimaru's chakra. They escaped before they could be terminated, and discovered that the alterations made to their chakra where passed on to their children, essentially making it a kekkei genkai.
The Nagara is kind of to snakes what the Aburame are to Insects. My default setting as them after the fourth war in a newly made Otogakure. but of cause since this is based on an alternative time line it would be easy enough to adapt it where necessary.

The Kekkei genkai functions similar to an Advanced Chrakra nature, but the effects are more like a bodily control Kekkei genkai (Such as Kimimaru and Sarkon's powers). The individuals can create from inside of their own body a unique chakra that mimics the bodily manipulations caused by snake senjutsu, allowing them to temporarily (and in some cases quasi permanently as seen with Kabuto and Orochimaru's true form) alter their bodies to become "snake like". examples of this would be focusing their chakra into their tongue or neck to allow it to stretch. or their limbs to let them become serpentine and flexible. Activating the chakra would alter the eyes appearance while in the body like you see with Orochimaru, Kabuto, and Sasuke. This would also allow communication with snakes, and there for make for better snake summoners.

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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Sun 30 Jun - 21:20

Just as i expected. Admin did a lot of research on oro for a now deceased villain that led a bloodline hunter faction. I only see that itll take some while tot balance your clan
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Sun 30 Jun - 21:23

Understandable I guess. But what do you mean "Now deceased villain"? I thought this Site was very new?
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Sun 30 Jun - 22:01

It is and it is not. This is a continuation of a previous site and most revealed jounin sensei are old playerchars. The villain was some that was defeated by theme
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Sun 30 Jun - 23:17

Cool. So would any of that play a big part in the storyline of this new site?

Also, I know you can't really say anything official until we hear from Admin. But Should I try reading the already established clans here and try writing one up for the Nagara that uses the same layout? and it could then be read and critiqued by Admin? Since I don't (yet) understand the numbers aspect of the combat system very well he or you may have to help with the numbers and stats. Assuming he doesn't mind the concept of cause.

I actually wrote a PM to him the moment I joined, but I haven't got anything back yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Sun 30 Jun - 23:57

Writing a layout cantos hurt. Keep in minder that a lot that oro did was cuz of the snake summoning kingdom, which means se can put those back on the list
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Sun 30 Jun - 23:59

Probably an interesting read, Sheshamaru: neonaruto timeline of historical events
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 2:49

@BlueAdmin: Yep! he was clearly a very powerful snake summoner as well as snake genetic freak. Although what do you mean by back on the list?

@SakuraiAkira: I am both simultaneously thankful that you showed me that. and afraid that I'm going to have to read all that....
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 3:22

We had summoning kingdoms on the old site. They still need to be ported tot this site. Also note that summoning kingdoms are not a bloodline.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 3:41

Fair enough. and thanks, I'm not an idiot.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 4:23

Admin makes an offer: If you take the Special hidden background flaw http://neonaruto.actieforum.com/t12-list-of-flaws then we can set you up as a subordinate of Kabuto (village head of hidden sound since Oro is mucho muerte) and injected with Oro's cells. Hidden Sound is currently allied (read vassal) to Konoha. Quite a number of original npc's are there with ties to old player chars, shit's political yow. It won't be a clan thing, cuz the soften body manips were already a bloodline of another clan (one of the blue dudes with kabuto during the chuunin exams). Oro liked to collect people with bloodlines and rare abilities and turn them into super soldiers if you remember Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 4:39

Thank you very much for the offer, and I'll put heavy consideration into it. but its sounding as though this might just be a totally different character. Is Admin saying he has a problem with my clan concept as it stands? The clan doesn't HAVE to be with Oto, though I'm having trouble understanding exactly what the political situation there is.

Although this idea could work if the clan is a no go, and I learn more about what he means.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 4:51

Sheshamaru,

Please remember that this is a different forum, where admins have different rules and the site have a different history.

This most likely means you cannot play the same character as on your previous site, but this only gives you a chance to evolve. The admin has made a generous offer for you to play your clan, only within the world created for this campaign. In this setting, your wishes are not a bloodline, but related to an animal kingdom.

But this gives you an opportunity to approach your character from a different angle or try to RP something else instead. Roleplay involves playing different kinds of characters, maybe a new site is a chance to try something a little different.

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http://media2.giphy.com/media/Zo9ACzmJgoqRy/original.gif


Oh, and welcome! ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 5:08

Well if that is correct then thank you. I'm not meaning to come off as ungrateful or anything, and I fully acknowledge that changes will have to be made. I'm just trying to figure out what and how many those changes are.

I'm also seriously confused by what people mean when they say "Animal Kingdom".


This is how I'm understanding it right now:

Kekkei genkai = hereditary ability

Animal Kingdom = A group of animals (toads, slugs, snakes, ect.) that a shinobi can sign a contract seal with and become a summoner of.

Orochimaru's powers = Genetic manipulation made on his own body based off the senjutsu arts of the snakes. (Plus advanced summoning techniques)

Nagara powers = Exactly the same as Orochi's (maybe slightly weaker) just that they pass the same genetic mix up to their children, making it hereditary and there for a kekkei genkai.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 5:22

As was made know in the original Manga, Animal kingdoms allow people to develop and learn jutsu based on the particular animal.
An example of this is Sasuke, whom also signed a contract with the snake kingdom.
This allowed him to learn those same jutsu from the snakes. (or at least partly)

As with every jutsu, you need to have a way of learning said jutsu, especially when it is a custom jutsu.
Jutsu tied to animals in the way you want it, are explained and reasoned to come from the kingdom. And both of the admin want to keep it said way.

That is why the admin offered you some of the cells from orochimaru implanted (An advantage or Merit) in trade for the Special Hidden Background (a disadvantage or Flaw)

A bloodline is a thing established over multiple generations. Seeing you are tied to Orochimaru and his powers came from the animal kingdom (at least the snake part you are interested in) the bloodline, if any, would have come into being in one generation.

Admin suggests another way of having the thing you want to have, which means a different way of obtaining your end style of fighting.

His proposal does not mean you are not allowed to play your character, just that your character has a different way of reaching that desired end.

As you rightly say yourself, ORo needed the snakekingdom and if you want the same thing, you would need to have the same thing.

However, don't forget that trying something new is also an option Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 5:33

Thank you for explaining that, it makes it much clearer now. but if I do understand you correctly then one point of what you're saying is just wrong. Not every snake related ablitity by orochimaru was dependant on his relationship with his summonings.

"Striking shadow snake" was a summoning technique, and clearly the relation to the animal kingdom is essential. (this move was used by both sasuke and orochi)

"Skin shedding technique" (or "orochimaru's substitution technique" as some call it) is used by Orochi (obviously) and can only be used by sasuke when he absorbed Orochimaru's chakra. This is why he was no longer able to use it when Orochimaru's chakra was released from him. It is a genetic technique made by the manipulation of the body (probably the chakra production since its chakra based) the only difference between this and a kekkei genkai is its origin, that being direct manipulation as opposed to several 1000 years of evolution. He almost certainly used the animal kingdom to gain the genetics necessary, but once obtained its no longer needed, like with Kabuto.

Is this where the confusion is comming from?



EDIT:The abilities I'm talking about are things like; making your body extremely flexible, elongated tongue, skin shedding, possibly attached snakes like Kabuto's navel snake. Powers like Striking shadow Snakes and all the other abilities that result in the creation of or bringing forth of a snake separate from the users body are something completely different.

I'm happy to consider Admin's proposal. I just don't understand what it is.


EDIT2: and the whole point of this character is that he is useless in all forms of conventional ninja arts, and comes to rely on his genetic capabilities to sustain any recognition for ability. I.E. Kekkei genkai is to him what taijutsu is to Lee.

He also much later on goes on a quest to gain additional kekkei genkai. but that's a whole 'nother barrel of fish.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 5:44

Political class with your friend Blue Admin:
Otogakure

After Orochimaru's death his massive rogue research organization for bloodline hunting fell apart due to other bloodline hunter factions and agents of other villages looting or destroying hideouts and other facilities for Oro's infamous works, much to fury of his successor Kabuto. The Blood Brotherhood took the underworld's open position as largest bloodline hunter faction and Kabuto's Otogakure was pushed back to the Ricefield country where he had gathered support of the ruling daimyo. However Oto was not strong enough on it's own and (reluctantly) signed a treaty with Konoha putting Otogakure under it's protection.

animal kingdoms work how you described, including that ninja in possession of the contract scroll of the desired kingdom is the only one that can approve of people signing the contract (in our case Kabuto again) since his blood is needed as a seal of approval. So if you want to sign the snake contract you'll have to get on his good side Razz

being able to start in Oto is a rare boon, since all the experimental stuff that's over there. Your char will begin at genin level just like all others with the possibility of getting funky rewards if he proves himself worthy (-hints at Oro powers) secrets of the snake sage isn't something kabuto is gonna share with a genin though, so it's gonna involve some old fashioned quest and fight for what you want Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 5:59

The techniques you were referring to were indeed Oro dependant, but being Oro dependant, does not make them less Snake kingdom dependant. Things can have more then one limit.
In the case you mention, you need both.

The elonging of body parts used to be jutsu one could learn as a regular ninjutsu after you had body modifications. However, they have been removed from the list, why I am not sure, but as long as there are no snakes involved in any way, the jutsu should be possible, also, remember that the admins might decide some things Orochimaru could do, are things only Orochimaru could do.

A rule based site is a site where one should role with the punches, sometimes negotiations are possible, but they are not endless.

Believe me when I say that I have rolled with the punches quite a lot during the creation of my own character and there are multiple things that we would have liked, but did not get in the end.

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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 16:15

I fail to see why those techniques are dependent on both those things... nonetheless it seems to be this site's canon and I'll have to accept it.

But anyway Thank you both for taking the time to try and explain this too me. And thank you Blue Admin for that "Political Class" That's really got my head on straight as to what's going on. I'm very sorry If I'm comming across as stupid, or mean or anything else, its really not my intention.
I just wish this site had a chat box so we could communicate more freely.


Okay. So I'll see if I'm understanding my option now:

-The original idea was of a character born to this snake clan who had no skill, but found power in unlocking the uttermost potential in his kekkei genkai, and later decides to gather more, mostly through kinjutsu.

-The new offer exactly the same with same weaknesses, except
The clan is scrapped ,
the snake abilities are gained through the same manner as Kabuto, given to him by kabuto, and
He comes from Otogakure.

If this is true. then am I going to need a reason for Kabuto to have given Orochi's DNA to him? or will I find out later through some ulterior motive?


Also, for those interested, I have a Data sheet of Sheshamaru at 22 for the original idea, this might help to understand where I was coming from. ((GAHH! it says I can't post a link, just look up "Sheshamaru Profile Sheet V1" on google and it should be the first thing that comes up. its a DA page.))
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 17:22

Characters here tend to start out at age 10-13 normaly, since that's the age of the academy graduation everyone starts at. As for Kabuto's motives:

Special Hidden Background
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The admins will read your character background and anything not specified in there including any other openings they can find they will use to connect your character to the main plot of the story somehow, but it will have major drawbacks in one way or another and will at the very least make for a much harder life for your character. Once taken, you are not allowed to bitch or whine about whatever the Admin team will have in store for you. Pick at own discretion and risk.

It's Kabuto, does whatever kabuto does....
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 18:04

Damn you and you ambiguity! (joking)

Okay, you know what, I'm liking the sound of this idea, I'll start work on my characters profile and I guess any details that don't fit can be pointed out and edited after I post it.

Just one final question: once he reaches a high enough level with the appropriate skills, would there be any system with which he might gain more kekkei genkai like the Data sheet describes? or just general bodily modification including kekkei genkai meant to allow for a greater body and personal biology? This might involve be some merit or some such.

EDIT: Also, will this mean that Shesha is Kabuto's student or something?


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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 18:10

What Nagara wants: A character from a (custom/homebrew) Snake bloodline with the background story being it's the clan that Orochimaru takes as test subject at the time he rules sound village and thus they inherit the snake techniques in their DNA.

What the admin team says: All snake-related powers are of the snake kingdom and the only way to acquire them is to prove self worthy as the subodinate of Kabuto? And the body manip is from another clan/bloodline(Naruto wikia says it can be achieved through body modification and surgery but that is in CanonVerse not NeoNarutoverse).

One suggestion of mine(just putting it out here, not like it is helpful) is maybe your character can be part of the body manip. clan? Technically, I guess you can still homebrew a lot of content since that clan is an unknown as far as canon goes so you can make up a lot of techniques as you go. Essentially, you still get some body morphing technique that you wanted, just without the snake flavor. You can then enhance your clan inept DNA ability with the snake DNA/contract/whatever-that-is-needed to become Orochimaru's second coming.

And another FYI, the normal starting age is 12, 13 and 14. You need to take young child flaw to get lower than that. I started at 16 because of character background and also a homebrew flaw, "Late Bloomer", so I guess you need to ask admin if you plan to start 22.
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PostSubject: Re: Custom OC clans?   Mon 1 Jul - 18:37

Thanks very much for your suggestion Tenshu, but I think we've got things more or less sorted now. and no I do not plan to start at 22 I never said that. What I said was the data sheet I'd already made had him based at 22, after a large amount of work and training. I definitely do not want to start off there, and I doubt I could even if I wanted too. That was just what I was looking for him to be like by the time of being 22.
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